My name is Fred Harvey Williams and I am the submitter of F144722. My third great grandfather was George French, born 1790-92 probably in Greenville County, SC and died October 1859 in Randolph County, AL. In 1818, he married Nancy Elizabeth Corr in Anderson County, SC. She was born in Caswell County, NC in 1798 and died 1860-70 in Randolph County, AL. Her parents were John Corr of VA and Mary Polly Zachery of NC. I believe but have not yet proved that George’s father was George P. French found in the 1800 and 1810 Greenville Censuses. I also believe that George was of German ancestry and his father probably came to PA, MD or VA before 1760. Perhaps the younger George was with him. I am seeking any info that might help me establish these ties. I am certain that all of our researchers have a common ancestor. This blog will help us find him. Thanks to all of you. Fred
I am posting some thoughts I shared with Mara so that others might see them and give me any thoughts they have. This is the man I believe to be my GGGGrandfather George’s father. Note the 1807 sale to “George French, blacksmith.” Note also the recent reference to the April 4, 1772 sale of livestock by “George French Sen. blacksmith in Frederick County,” VA. I believe these references are to the same man and that he moved from VA to Greenville, SC about 1784. I also believe that four of his sons were Jacob (1785), James (1789), George (1790) and Aaron (1799) found in SC and AL. I am working hard to prove my presumptions. Any thoughts? ------------------------------------- In the 1800 US Census of Greenville District, SC, a George P. French is head of a household of eight persons; two males under the age of 10, two males between the ages of 10 and 16, one male over the age of 45, two females under the age of 10, and one female between 26 and 45.
In the 1810 US Census of Greenville District, SC, a George French is head of a household of nine persons; one male between the ages of 10 and 16, three males between the ages of 16 and 26, one male over the age of 45, one female under the age of 10, one female between the ages of 10 and 16, one female between the ages of 16 and 26, and one female over the age of 45. These ages and sexes match those in the 1800 Census so this is probably the family of George P. French.
Based on data from the above censuses, a George P. French was born before 1755. Based on the ages of his children in these censuses, George P. French probably was married about 1784. His wife was born between 1755 and 1765. They had at least seven children born between 1784 and 1800 who have not been identified. A George French acquired 536 acres from William Pierce on the Saluda River in Greenville District, SC in 1792, and acquired 108 acres from John Layman at Mountain Creek and the Saluda River in Greenville District, SC in 1794.
Another deed is found in Laurens County Deed Book J, page 81, dated September 12, 1807 from "John Fields, planter to George French, blacksmith for $424. 212 acres on Cane Crk of Saluda R granted to Wm Drew Senr dec'd on 23 Jun 1774, conveyed to Sarah Right Jr [Wright], then sold by her husband Stephen Wood to James clemens, then to John Field. Wit: Moses Madden, Thos. Cargill, S. Adams. Betsy Ann Field released her dower rights." Since the George French found in the 1820 census is born between 1794 and 1802, these acquisitions must have been made by the elder George found in the above censuses.
No other George French or his wife is found in the 1820 censuses of South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama, so the elder George either had died by that date or moved to another state.
I have found a bit of evidence that the George French in VA in 1771-1772 may have died in 1772. If so, the "George French, blacksmith" of 1807 may be a different man - possibly a son of the George in VA.
The info on George in VA is: "A Guide to the Virginia Miscellany Papers, 1657-1931" and the website is at http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi01107.component
Look at page 12 of this document where it says: "Legal Papers, 1771-1772 Box: 1 folder: 29... Account, March-July 1771, George French to Isaac Zane. 2 p....Legal Papers, 1772 Box: 1 folder: 30...Execution, 1 April 1772, to any sworn officer of Frederick County. Fi. Fa. to attach estate of George French. Isaac Zane v. George French. 2 p."
I believe this George French is the man who bought Old Forge Farm in 1762. The same property was later bought by Isaac Zane and was called the Marlboro Iron Works - used for manufacturing items used during the American Revolution.
I'd be interested to hear what others make of this.
Thanks Deb. What a great find! I believe this fits my theory. George French died in 1771 and his son George P. French (b. bef. 1755) disposed of the estate in early 1772. This also fits the livestock sale to Jacob and Henry in 1772. I am working on the dates after this.
There are 2 men named George French who were both b. ca. 1750: one went to TN (Chart #10) and one went to SC (Chart #136). I am in the process of correcting these. Annie Holt is the one who married the George French from TN.
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Finally, I think I am on. Thanks, Marulyn. No one ever said to sign in. We'll see if this comes up before I post a lengthy comment.
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My name is Fred Harvey Williams and I am the submitter of F144722. My third great grandfather was George French, born 1790-92 probably in Greenville County, SC and died October 1859 in Randolph County, AL. In 1818, he married Nancy Elizabeth Corr in Anderson County, SC. She was born in Caswell County, NC in 1798 and died 1860-70 in Randolph County, AL. Her parents were John Corr of VA and Mary Polly Zachery of NC. I believe but have not yet proved that George’s father was George P. French found in the 1800 and 1810 Greenville Censuses. I also believe that George was of German ancestry and his father probably came to PA, MD or VA before 1760. Perhaps the younger George was with him. I am seeking any info that might help me establish these ties. I am certain that all of our researchers have a common ancestor. This blog will help us find him. Thanks to all of you. Fred
ReplyDeleteYeah Fred! You're on the blog and it hasn't disappeared.
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I am posting some thoughts I shared with Mara so that others might see them and give me any thoughts they have. This is the man I believe to be my GGGGrandfather George’s father. Note the 1807 sale to “George French, blacksmith.” Note also the recent reference to the April 4, 1772 sale of livestock by “George French Sen. blacksmith in Frederick County,” VA. I believe these references are to the same man and that he moved from VA to Greenville, SC about 1784. I also believe that four of his sons were Jacob (1785), James (1789), George (1790) and Aaron (1799) found in SC and AL. I am working hard to prove my presumptions. Any thoughts?
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In the 1800 US Census of Greenville District, SC, a George P. French is head of a household of eight persons; two males under the age of 10, two males between the ages of 10 and 16, one male over the age of 45, two females under the age of 10, and one female between 26 and 45.
In the 1810 US Census of Greenville District, SC, a George French is head of a household of nine persons; one male between the ages of 10 and 16, three males between the ages of 16 and 26, one male over the age of 45, one female under the age of 10, one female between the ages of 10 and 16, one female between the ages of 16 and 26, and one female over the age of 45. These ages and sexes match those in the 1800 Census so this is probably the family of George P. French.
Based on data from the above censuses, a George P. French was born before 1755. Based on the ages of his children in these censuses, George P. French probably was married about 1784. His wife was born between 1755 and 1765. They had at least seven children born between 1784 and 1800 who have not been identified. A George French acquired 536 acres from William Pierce on the Saluda River in Greenville District, SC in 1792, and acquired 108 acres from John Layman at Mountain Creek and the Saluda River in Greenville District, SC in 1794.
Another deed is found in Laurens County Deed Book J, page 81, dated September 12, 1807 from "John Fields, planter to George French, blacksmith for $424. 212 acres on Cane Crk of Saluda R granted to Wm Drew Senr dec'd on 23 Jun 1774, conveyed to Sarah Right Jr [Wright], then sold by her husband Stephen Wood to James clemens, then to John Field. Wit: Moses Madden, Thos. Cargill, S. Adams. Betsy Ann Field released her dower rights." Since the George French found in the 1820 census is born between 1794 and 1802, these acquisitions must have been made by the elder George found in the above censuses.
No other George French or his wife is found in the 1820 censuses of South Carolina, Georgia or Alabama, so the elder George either had died by that date or moved to another state.
I have found a bit of evidence that the George French in VA in 1771-1772 may have died in 1772. If so, the "George French, blacksmith" of 1807 may be a different man - possibly a son of the George in VA.
ReplyDeleteThe info on George in VA is: "A Guide to the Virginia Miscellany Papers, 1657-1931" and the website is at http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi01107.component
Look at page 12 of this document where it says:
"Legal Papers, 1771-1772 Box: 1 folder: 29...
Account, March-July 1771, George French to Isaac Zane. 2 p....Legal Papers, 1772 Box: 1 folder: 30...Execution, 1 April 1772, to any sworn officer of Frederick County. Fi. Fa. to attach
estate of George French. Isaac Zane v. George French. 2 p."
I believe this George French is the man who bought Old Forge Farm in 1762. The same property was later bought by Isaac Zane and was called the Marlboro Iron Works - used for manufacturing items used during the American Revolution.
I'd be interested to hear what others make of this.
Thanks Deb. What a great find! I believe this fits my theory. George French died in 1771 and his son George P. French (b. bef. 1755) disposed of the estate in early 1772. This also fits the livestock sale to Jacob and Henry in 1772. I am working on the dates after this.
ReplyDeleteIt would be helpful if we could find estate papers for the George French who probably died in 1771 or 1772. This would hopefully list his heirs.
ReplyDeleteMaybe this will be something that will be located by Vicki Carroll and her family when they head out that way in a couple of days.
There are 2 men named George French who were both b. ca. 1750: one went to TN (Chart #10) and one went to SC (Chart #136). I am in the process of correcting these. Annie Holt is the one who married the George French from TN.
ReplyDeletePlease see latest update on George French. Make sure the date at the top reads 4/26/11.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart136/
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Please enter a short description of your line there. It will immediately appear on this website:
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Only then can we learn more about your ancestry and help you find a connection.
Regards,
Mara French